Carnivale season finale

March 28, 2005

carnivaleTry as I may to keep the subject matter geared towards the hardware end of home theater, occasionally I have to venture off into blaberdom about one of my favorite shows. I’m so pissed about the season finale of Carnivale last night, I’ve got to vent. First off my girlfriend and I argued through most of the show that this would be the last episode (I won) but in a way I lost, I predicted the episode would end with an open door to a third season, but not that freaking wide open.

This Do-Over mentality has me tee’d off to no end. I mean I realize I’m talking about a show with healers as primary characters, but freaking die already would you Justin? I enjoyed the episode immensely, until that long pan out of the cornfield, when it began to wither away, I moaned out “ohhhhh noooo”. HBO come on, in prior teasers for upcoming episodes you counted off “just 5 more episodes left” “just 4 more” etc. then that call was replaced by “3 more episodes this season” if the decision to renew Carnivale was made late, it showed in the quality of the finale.

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed seeing Justin get his, but to have that belly laugh punched out of me, by teasing that it was just temporary, well for lack of a better term, sucked. Oh well what can I do? Say that’s it no more Carnivale, regardless if there’s a third season or not? No I’m hooked I admit it, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it. Well Hucky Duck, here’s to season three I guess.



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Comments

  • aliandandy

    Please bring back Carnivale! We loved it and wanna see more of it! It was a brilliant show and better than most other rubbish on tv!

  • Hamuram

    Dudes, who said jonesy is dead? I only saw him falling down, not dieing? We could assume so but we dont know so, btw the makers of the series make the same assumption. I saw it on the dvd extras!

  • Hamuram

    Dudes, who said jonesy is dead? I only saw him falling down, not dieing? We could assume so but we dont know so, btw the makers of the series make the same assumption. I saw it on the dvd extras!

  • estro_pajo

    Alright people, I thought it’s obvious, but You here are really incredible!
    I don’t know how do you watch the series…
    1. Justin IS dead.
    2. Sophie revives him not only using the corn field but also Jonesy’s life that she took earlier. And she’s doing it because Justin IS her father, not “for no apparent reason” as some of You has mentioned.
    3. Justin said to Sophie “choose a side” and she does it. I don’t think there will be any struggle. She made her choice when she killed Jonesy, that’s all to it. Samson and the rest are not completely wrong – she won’t let one of her own die, but she’s no more a carni, she’s OMEGA.
    4. the only people that knew about her ware Lodz and her mother, that’s the reason she wanted to kill her.
    5. Hawkings IS the new menagement. (the last shot clearly indicates it)
    6. As through the whole series (including the first season) we KNEW (yes we did) that Sophie is Justins daughter, we also know that she is NOT pregnant whatsoever.
    7. How we know all this? Look at the parallel threads of Justin and Sophie. Any similarities? Well? And now remember what Libby told Sophie after ‘her firt time’, watch ‘her time with Hawkings’ again and think about Justin in the context of children. Oh, and You DO understand what ‘it’s your house’ words means, right?

    Cool. I hope You will find this useful. 😉
    I’m a film critic from Poland and I think that Carnivale is the best tv series of the ‘new gen shows’ that I’ve seen. Ba, it’s the most peciuliar, ground breaking TV show ever. And it’s artistic values are unmatched in the world of TV series’es…anywhichway you write that…

  • estro_pajo

    Alright people, I thought it’s obvious, but You here are really incredible!
    I don’t know how do you watch the series…
    1. Justin IS dead.
    2. Sophie revives him not only using the corn field but also Jonesy’s life that she took earlier. And she’s doing it because Justin IS her father, not “for no apparent reason” as some of You has mentioned.
    3. Justin said to Sophie “choose a side” and she does it. I don’t think there will be any struggle. She made her choice when she killed Jonesy, that’s all to it. Samson and the rest are not completely wrong – she won’t let one of her own die, but she’s no more a carni, she’s OMEGA.
    4. the only people that knew about her ware Lodz and her mother, that’s the reason she wanted to kill her.
    5. Hawkings IS the new menagement. (the last shot clearly indicates it)
    6. As through the whole series (including the first season) we KNEW (yes we did) that Sophie is Justins daughter, we also know that she is NOT pregnant whatsoever.
    7. How we know all this? Look at the parallel threads of Justin and Sophie. Any similarities? Well? And now remember what Libby told Sophie after ‘her firt time’, watch ‘her time with Hawkings’ again and think about Justin in the context of children. Oh, and You DO understand what ‘it’s your house’ words means, right?

    Cool. I hope You will find this useful. 😉
    I’m a film critic from Poland and I think that Carnivale is the best tv series of the ‘new gen shows’ that I’ve seen. Ba, it’s the most peciuliar, ground breaking TV show ever. And it’s artistic values are unmatched in the world of TV series’es…anywhichway you write that…

  • Jon and Heather Metcalf

    Go Carnivale! We love freaks and geeks. A pure literary and theatrical phenomenon…

  • Jon and Heather Metcalf

    Go Carnivale! We love freaks and geeks. A pure literary and theatrical phenomenon…

  • Francis

    Want to see Season 3 of Carnivale? Then let your voice be heard by HBO. Sign the petition http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?threadID=300001255&start=30&tstart=0

  • Francis

    Want to see Season 3 of Carnivale? Then let your voice be heard by HBO. Sign the petition http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?threadID=300001255&start;=30&tstart;=0

  • isisreturns004

    Carnivale was exceptional, hands down. I believe that we shouldn’t judge too harshly the finale because the series ended in a sloppy fashion under duress. HBO enjoyed the recognition and awards… and then cast these amazing and talented people aside like a bag of trash. That says alot and not only did I cancell my subscription (because why would I allow them to do it again with another series-if they can ever even match it)but several friends were just as disgusted and took the same course of action. If this is what other devastated fans are doing, then HBO better “shake some dust…!!” as Samson would say. God, I miss him!

  • isisreturns004

    Carnivale was exceptional, hands down. I believe that we shouldn’t judge too harshly the finale because the series ended in a sloppy fashion under duress. HBO enjoyed the recognition and awards… and then cast these amazing and talented people aside like a bag of trash. That says alot and not only did I cancell my subscription (because why would I allow them to do it again with another series-if they can ever even match it)but several friends were just as disgusted and took the same course of action. If this is what other devastated fans are doing, then HBO better “shake some dust…!!” as Samson would say. God, I miss him!

  • BamaXXX

    Love love love Carnivale!!! what the hell is wrong with HBO? i can’t believe they are so stupid as to cancel carnivale and deadwood. after the final Sopranos i will be getting rid of my subscription.

  • BamaXXX

    Love love love Carnivale!!! what the hell is wrong with HBO? i can’t believe they are so stupid as to cancel carnivale and deadwood. after the final Sopranos i will be getting rid of my subscription.

  • fenriswulf

    Anybody think that Sofie’s killing Jonesey might be because she needs his life to bring back Justin?

    I know Ben did it (to Lodz) with his own hands; aka strnagle him, but in my opinion, shooting somebody might as well count as “with her own hands” no?

  • fenriswulf

    Anybody think that Sofie’s killing Jonesey might be because she needs his life to bring back Justin?

    I know Ben did it (to Lodz) with his own hands; aka strnagle him, but in my opinion, shooting somebody might as well count as “with her own hands” no?

  • Geoff

    Unless of course you are one of the travelling people who would rather be called Gypsys than Rom and are actually insulted by the word ‘Rom’like me.

    And if you pay attention ‘ath’ didn’t use it ‘Nokmin’ did, nor did he do so in relation to the peoples he used it in the common usage which means as an irritant.

    The word is only ‘assumed’ to be related to the word ‘gypsy’

    ‘Gypsy’ is a slang word that historically relates to Egyptian travellers particularly not Roma.

    It is contextually similar to the Englishism ‘jip’ meaning ‘a pain’ which has nothing to do with the other roots.

    Be nice if you checked who said what before you jumped on your idiotic PC high-horse and started accusing innocent people of Racism (which is what you did.)which is far more deeply insulting than the use Nokmin made of a word.

    Yes Third series not coming… shame… money spent on Lowbrow idiotic pap for some reason.

  • Geoff

    Unless of course you are one of the travelling people who would rather be called Gypsys than Rom and are actually insulted by the word ‘Rom’like me.

    And if you pay attention ‘ath’ didn’t use it ‘Nokmin’ did, nor did he do so in relation to the peoples he used it in the common usage which means as an irritant.

    The word is only ‘assumed’ to be related to the word ‘gypsy’

    ‘Gypsy’ is a slang word that historically relates to Egyptian travellers particularly not Roma.

    It is contextually similar to the Englishism ‘jip’ meaning ‘a pain’ which has nothing to do with the other roots.

    Be nice if you checked who said what before you jumped on your idiotic PC high-horse and started accusing innocent people of Racism (which is what you did.)which is far more deeply insulting than the use Nokmin made of a word.

    Yes Third series not coming… shame… money spent on Lowbrow idiotic pap for some reason.

  • Nightsinge

    I’m a renter so way behind you all in seeing the finale. Some of the little things didn’t bother me–Ben and Sophie were inept before they got their “boons” passed on, and I agree that Ben already affected Justin when he healed, though he didn’t know it.

    I’m more pissed off at the loose ends like Lodz saying he was about to return–and the entire thread is dropped at the last minute.

    If anything, the horrid commentary on the DVD versions was a complete was. The series deserved better. I don’t spend hours examining the meaning of symbolism to finally hear the director say that such-and-such actor was “just amazing to work with” over and over. Please.

    Finally, ath, I respectfully ask you to refrain from using the word “gyp.” It’s a racial slur and disrespectful to the Roma people. Thanks

  • Nightsinge

    I’m a renter so way behind you all in seeing the finale. Some of the little things didn’t bother me–Ben and Sophie were inept before they got their “boons” passed on, and I agree that Ben already affected Justin when he healed, though he didn’t know it.

    I’m more pissed off at the loose ends like Lodz saying he was about to return–and the entire thread is dropped at the last minute.

    If anything, the horrid commentary on the DVD versions was a complete was. The series deserved better. I don’t spend hours examining the meaning of symbolism to finally hear the director say that such-and-such actor was “just amazing to work with” over and over. Please.

    Finally, ath, I respectfully ask you to refrain from using the word “gyp.” It’s a racial slur and disrespectful to the Roma people. Thanks

  • Nokmin of Adonai

    I agree the ending was a gyp re: Jonesey and Sofie, but I would like to think this was done with the possibility of a 3rd season. It makes sense that the unborn child she carries would be causing her actions. Doesn’t the dark/light skip a generation?

  • Nokmin of Adonai

    I agree the ending was a gyp re: Jonesey and Sofie, but I would like to think this was done with the possibility of a 3rd season. It makes sense that the unborn child she carries would be causing her actions. Doesn’t the dark/light skip a generation?

  • ath

    I don’t think that people are seeing the little things. Hawkings could heal anyone’s anything with the life from any life, trees, plants, vultures, etc. It was only when their life was GONE that he had to take someone elses. I am assuming Sofie works the same way, it didn’t seem to me that Justin was totally dead as you could see his stomach moving up and down when the found Ben laying on top of him.

    They had set up that whenever Ben healed it harmed Justin. Due to their connection and all it would not be at all far fetched to do what they did. As for Sofie…

    The ending was great. The creator had an actual vision for the story and Sofie was becoming a integral part in it. She was the “Omega”, the first female avatar. Season three would be more about Sofie’s struggle with what she is and who she is, Light or Dark, etc. Her healing Justin was her fulfilling the dark side of her nature.

    I think people are just so upset with the sudden stop of the show that they are taking it out on Carnivale…. don’t do that.

    Look at it again.

  • ath

    I don’t think that people are seeing the little things. Hawkings could heal anyone’s anything with the life from any life, trees, plants, vultures, etc. It was only when their life was GONE that he had to take someone elses. I am assuming Sofie works the same way, it didn’t seem to me that Justin was totally dead as you could see his stomach moving up and down when the found Ben laying on top of him.

    They had set up that whenever Ben healed it harmed Justin. Due to their connection and all it would not be at all far fetched to do what they did. As for Sofie…

    The ending was great. The creator had an actual vision for the story and Sofie was becoming a integral part in it. She was the “Omega”, the first female avatar. Season three would be more about Sofie’s struggle with what she is and who she is, Light or Dark, etc. Her healing Justin was her fulfilling the dark side of her nature.

    I think people are just so upset with the sudden stop of the show that they are taking it out on Carnivale…. don’t do that.

    Look at it again.

  • JJ

    can someone please tell me whether there is going to be a season three? conflicting reports abound. I’m dying for an answer

  • JJ

    can someone please tell me whether there is going to be a season three? conflicting reports abound. I’m dying for an answer

  • mark

    i love carnivale. i dont care if there is gonna be another season or not. it is so dark and beautiful. if you took the green mile, the stand, the grapes of wrath, and just a shot of todd browning’s {exceptional} FREAKS….you would get a cut and dry version of HBO’S magnificently orchestrated creation “carnivale” i will always hold it close to my heart along with my “freaks and geeks” and”six feet under” dvd’s. my co-workers and i would sit and try to analyse it and talk about our favorite characters {mine is samson} you all need to quit judging it and accept it if you are real fans. now shake some dust you ol carnies!!

  • mark

    i love carnivale. i dont care if there is gonna be another season or not. it is so dark and beautiful. if you took the green mile, the stand, the grapes of wrath, and just a shot of todd browning’s {exceptional} FREAKS….you would get a cut and dry version of HBO’S magnificently orchestrated creation “carnivale” i will always hold it close to my heart along with my “freaks and geeks” and”six feet under” dvd’s. my co-workers and i would sit and try to analyse it and talk about our favorite characters {mine is samson} you all need to quit judging it and accept it if you are real fans. now shake some dust you ol carnies!!

  • B Kromberg

    I just finished watchign the finale and I completely agree with everyone above. I can make the stretch with the directed healing — because at the end of the season Hawkins is no longer just a healer but an “avatar”. Not to mention theres a direct link between his character and alexi.

    But the bit with sophie is a bit too much. She fumbles to read tarot cards the entire season but can all of a sudden find not only the ability, but the conviction to shoot jonesy AND heal the man that raped her mother? The deus ex machina she pulls lends to a weak weak ending.

  • B Kromberg

    I just finished watchign the finale and I completely agree with everyone above. I can make the stretch with the directed healing — because at the end of the season Hawkins is no longer just a healer but an “avatar”. Not to mention theres a direct link between his character and alexi.

    But the bit with sophie is a bit too much. She fumbles to read tarot cards the entire season but can all of a sudden find not only the ability, but the conviction to shoot jonesy AND heal the man that raped her mother? The deus ex machina she pulls lends to a weak weak ending.

  • sjel

    Totally agree with your comment. What a turn-off.
    Hawkings suddenly able to ‘direct’ his leeching; Sophie for no apparent reason killing Jonesie and worst of all…the final shot

    Just a couple of episodes ago Hawkings couldn’t safe the snake-woman, because he had to give a life for a life (life kindly provided by Lodz 😉 and now suddenly Sophie is capable of returning Justin from the dead at the mere price of a half-acre of corn…

    come on….what a lame way to squeeze out a third season

    regards
    Sjel (The Netherlands)

  • sjel

    Totally agree with your comment. What a turn-off.
    Hawkings suddenly able to ‘direct’ his leeching; Sophie for no apparent reason killing Jonesie and worst of all…the final shot

    Just a couple of episodes ago Hawkings couldn’t safe the snake-woman, because he had to give a life for a life (life kindly provided by Lodz 😉 and now suddenly Sophie is capable of returning Justin from the dead at the mere price of a half-acre of corn…

    come on….what a lame way to squeeze out a third season

    regards
    Sjel (The Netherlands)

  • Geof Oberhaus

    I completely agree with your analysis on the season finale. After suffering through the non-season finale last year this year’s finale was a complete disappointment. Its like they decided its time for the finale so all these things just happen. Then killing off Jonese character. Also, when did Hawkins get the ability to direct who is effected negatively by his healing powers – the tent healing revival scene only affected Brother Justin. And for Sofia to revive him – amazing. Think back to all of the scenes that were foreshadowed in the first season (the scene at the diner, the war, the cornfield, etc. – I guess since they got renewed its completely new – but Hawkins knows who he is. I guess that Sofie is probably pregnant with Hawkins kid – such kid may have the power to destroy the world – so for season three Hawkins will have to kill sofie and the kid.

    Oh well, glad I stumbled on your blog. I am building a home theater this summer in my basement and have found some great info from your site.

  • Geof Oberhaus

    I completely agree with your analysis on the season finale. After suffering through the non-season finale last year this year’s finale was a complete disappointment. Its like they decided its time for the finale so all these things just happen. Then killing off Jonese character. Also, when did Hawkins get the ability to direct who is effected negatively by his healing powers – the tent healing revival scene only affected Brother Justin. And for Sofia to revive him – amazing. Think back to all of the scenes that were foreshadowed in the first season (the scene at the diner, the war, the cornfield, etc. – I guess since they got renewed its completely new – but Hawkins knows who he is. I guess that Sofie is probably pregnant with Hawkins kid – such kid may have the power to destroy the world – so for season three Hawkins will have to kill sofie and the kid.

    Oh well, glad I stumbled on your blog. I am building a home theater this summer in my basement and have found some great info from your site.